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That's not an entirely accurate statement. We started using Exam4 before there was a native OSX client, and use used to require our Mac students to run VirtualPC. We had to lock them into the session before each exam, and unlock them after the exam... It wasn't fun.

-Mike

Michael Jewell, CCNA, CCNA-Voice, Cisco Firewall Specialist
University of Maryland School of Law
Information Technology Department
410-706-5771

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From: teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu [mailto:teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Bachechi
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:17 PM
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Subject: RE: [teknoids] Examsoft MAC

We bypass this problem by using Exam4, which of course has always had a native mac client. :) May not be an option of course, but it was for us.

Thank you,

Dave Bachechi
Director of Information Technology
Phoenix School of Law
            

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Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [teknoids] Examsoft MAC

We are just starting out with our testing of Examsoft MAC here. I'll provide an update on how things go.

Thanks,
Bill

On Aug 18, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Peter Stanisci wrote:

> My current thought is to say, we're waiting a year to ensure all the bugs are out. I am curious what those of you that use Examsoft are thinking too.
>

William Klein | Associate Director of Technology Valparaiso University School of Law william.klein@valpo.edu

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Or you can use EBB (Electronic Bluebook - Computest), which has an excellent MAC client.

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Hofstra Law School
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Phone: (516) 463-6067

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A week went by as I watched the sky. O, time has treated me well."

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-----Original Message-----
From: teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu [mailto:teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Bachechi
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:17 PM
To: 'Teknoids'
Subject: RE: [teknoids] Examsoft MAC

We bypass this problem by using Exam4, which of course has always had a native mac client. :) May not be an option of course, but it was for us.

Thank you,

Dave Bachechi
Director of Information Technology
Phoenix School of Law
            

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From: teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu [mailto:teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of William Klein
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:12 PM
To: Teknoids
Subject: Re: [teknoids] Examsoft MAC

We are just starting out with our testing of Examsoft MAC here. I'll provide an update on how things go.

Thanks,
Bill

On Aug 18, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Peter Stanisci wrote:

> My current thought is to say, we're waiting a year to ensure all the bugs are out. I am curious what those of you that use Examsoft are thinking too.
>

William Klein | Associate Director of Technology Valparaiso University School of Law william.klein@valpo.edu

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I think I'm with Ken on this. If everyone waits until spring to try it, then you might just as well try it this semester, because there won't be enough use this fall to really see if it is going to work anyway.

I'd also be leery of inflicting bootcamp and windows on 1Ls and then telling them never mind in 6 months. That is quite bit of expense and hassle to put them through.

I would assume that Examsoft has tested this software somewhere. Has anyone on the list already used it? Are decisions about when to bring it into your law school being made before you've even seen the software?

If I were making decisions at an Examsoft school, I would be telling 1Ls with Macs to hold off on bootcamp and windows for a few weeks. Then I would get a copy of the software, some Macs, and give it a try. For those non-Mac folks out there, it is easier to develop for the mac on a certain level because the platform is locked down and the hardware is uniform. So if it works in a test, it should work in the real world. I would then make a decision on the outcome of testing in my environment, letting the Mac users know definitively whether or not to get bootcamp and windows.

AND I would complain to Examsoft about releasing such an important piece of software at the beginning of the semester when it is harder to test and make a well-informed decision about deployment.

Elmer.

Interesting problem--does anyone know what tests the company has put the Mac version through?

Bob Seibel
California Western School of Law
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Sent: Wed 8/18/2010 7:57 AM
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Subject: RE: [teknoids] Examsoft MAC

Of course, if all of you who use Examsoft adopt this view, spring semester will become your beta test. Catch 22?

Ken Hirsh

ken.hirsh@uc.edu

(513) 556-0159

From: teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu [mailto:teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen App
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:55 AM
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Hey Peter -

We at Temple Law are in the same boat. Our current plan is to offer it up to students in the Spring Semester. The larger problem for us, in using this strategy, is what to tell students to do for the Fall 2010 exams. It's tough to tell people to purchase windows and partition their hard drive just for one semester.

I also would love to know what some others are doing in this area.

Steve App

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Peter Stanisci <pstanisci@tourolaw.edu> wrote:

We kicked off our Orientation this Sunday, and have our first Classes this Friday - I trust many of you are starting next week. Good Luck.

I received an email yesterday from Examsoft announcing their Mac version is available and this presents an interesting dilemma. Without the Mac version, our First Years with Macs are told if they want to take their exams on computer they must use Boot Camp and buy a Windows OS. In the very least this represents an added expense to the Mac users, and for some represents all that is evil in this world. :)

With this new software... clearly it will remove both of those issues for these students... The question for me is RISK vs REWARD. In general, I am in no way, shape or form an early adopter of new software programs. That goes double when something is as mission critical as exams are to students. So, there isn't any way I would allow them to use the software for this semester... period - but what about the Spring? Would one exams season give me (us) the confidence that this software was solid? How would the students that invested in installing boot camp and the OS react to having made that investment 4 months earlier when they could have waited? All good questions.

My current thought is to say, we're waiting a year to ensure all the bugs are out. I am curious what those of you that use Examsoft are thinking too.

Regards,

Peter Stanisci

Assistant Dean for Information Technology

Touro Law Center

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Sure - But at least those who adopted it for the fall will have worked out
the kinks for you. It's like buying a used car. It's still new for you,
and you're sure to find things you don't like, but at least someone else
already bought it new and dealt with the major problems.

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Hirsh, Kenneth (hirshkh) <
hirshkh@ucmail.uc.edu> wrote:

> Of course, if all of you who use Examsoft adopt this view, spring
> semester will become your beta test. Catch 22?
>
>
>
>
>
> Ken Hirsh
>
> ken.hirsh@uc.edu
>
> (513) 556-0159
>
>
>
> *From:* teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu [mailto:
> teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Stephen App
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:55 AM
> *To:* Teknoids
> *Subject:* Re: [teknoids] Examsoft MAC
>
>
>
> Hey Peter -
>
> We at Temple Law are in the same boat. Our current plan is to offer it
> up to students in the Spring Semester. The larger problem for us, in using
> this strategy, is what to tell students to do for the Fall 2010 exams. It's
> tough to tell people to purchase windows and partition their hard drive just
> for one semester.
>
> I also would love to know what some others are doing in this area.
>
>
>
> Steve App
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Peter Stanisci <pstanisci@tourolaw.edu>
> wrote:
>
> We kicked off our Orientation this Sunday, and have our first Classes this
> Friday – I trust many of you are starting next week. Good Luck.
>
>
>
> I received an email yesterday from Examsoft announcing their Mac version is
> available and this presents an interesting dilemma. Without the Mac
> version, our First Years with Macs are told if they want to take their exams
> on computer they must use Boot Camp and buy a Windows OS. In the very
> least this represents an added expense to the Mac users, and for some
> represents all that is evil in this world. :)
>
>
>
> With this new software… clearly it will remove both of those issues for
> these students… The question for me is RISK vs REWARD. In general, I am in
> no way, shape or form an early adopter of new software programs. That goes
> double when something is as mission critical as exams are to students. So,
> there isn’t any way I would allow them to use the software for this
> semester… period – but what about the Spring? Would one exams season give
> me (us) the confidence that this software was solid? How would the students
> that invested in installing boot camp and the OS react to having made that
> investment 4 months earlier when they could have waited? All good
> questions.
>
>
>
> My current thought is to say, we’re waiting a year to ensure all the bugs
> are out. I am curious what those of you that use Examsoft are thinking too.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> *Peter Stanisci*
>
> Assistant Dean for Information Technology
>
> Touro Law Center
>
> 225 Eastview Drive
>
> Central Islip, NY 11722
>
>
>
> EMail: PStanisci@tourolaw.edu
>
> Phone: (631) 761 - 7075
>
> Cell: (631) 708 - 6414
>
> Fax: (631) 421 - 2675
>
>
>
> Support:
>
> EMail: IT@tourolaw.edu
>
> Phone: (631) 761 - 7070
>
>
>
>
>
>
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