RE: Mindjet MindManager - Law School Opportunities

Adopting that software would be the equivalent of mandating that all students use windows/mac OS year-round (as opposed to just for exams).  And will this extend to office software?  Are those students who are currently using OpenOffice to be forced to purchase MSoffice so that they can participate?  Is MindJet also going to cover those costs?
 
If you want to use all the various features your students will also have to buy/install/support:
    *  Microsoft® Office® Professional 2002/XP, 2003 or 2007 (Big $$$)
    * Microsoft® Project® 2002, 2003 or 2007 (Bigger $$$)
    * Microsoft® Visio® Professional 2002, 2003, or 2007 (still more $$$)
    * Microsoft® Internet Explorer® 6.0 or greater (AHAHHAHA)
    * Mozilla® Firefox® 2.0 or greater (ok, I like this one)
    * Adobe® Acrobat® 8 or greater (yet more $$$)
    * Adobe® Flash® Player 9 or greater
    * Internet connection (well how else is the DRM going to work?)

And the final nail in the coffin:  "MindManager 8 will not support Windows 7 when Windows 7 is released"

Sorry, but it's junk software imho. 
Go with FreeMind and forget about licensing agreements.

-Richard Abbott
Rabbit@shaw.ca
Oregonrabbit@hushmail.com

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cbell2 years ago

RE: RE: Mindjet MindManager - Law School Opportunities

Hi again, everyone in this Teknoids community including Richard Abbott,

I can't believe I'm actually taking Richard Abbot's bait and replying to
his message, but here I go for what I intend to be one go-round only:

Answers and responses to Richard Abbot's questions and statements:

* Colorado Law has issued no mandate. There is no requirement to
use the tool for faculty, staff, or students. There is just the
opportunity.

* MindManager mind maps are not required in any class.

* Students, Faculty, and Staff are welcome to use FreeMind and
all the other mind mapping tools as they always have been.

* Students, Faculty, and Staff can use OpenOffice just as they
always have been able to as well.

* MindManager does tie very nicely in to MS Office. But it works
fine without MS Office as well. It does have some pretty cool export
features to the MS products and others.

* Just because MindManager has features doesn't mean that one
needs to use them.

Regarding Windows 7 and the "nail in the coffin" Richard Abbot
mentioned:

Richard Abbot's message included a partial quote from MindJet's support
page. Here is the full statement:

"MindManager 8 will not support Windows 7 when Windows 7 is released but
will support it in a future MindManager 8 service pack at no charge."

Finally, regardless of the discussion on points above, the whole tone of
the message seems inflammatory. I'm not a frequent poster here, but I do
hope that civility will reign, especially when someone is trying to do
something good for the community.

Chris

Chris Bell
Director of Information Technology
University of Colorado Law School
303-492-1980
cbell@colorado.edu

From: teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu
[mailto:teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Richard
Abbott
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:03 PM
To: teknoids@ruckus.law.cornell.edu
Subject: [teknoids] RE: Mindjet MindManager - Law School Opportunities

Adopting that software would be the equivalent of mandating that all
students use windows/mac OS year-round (as opposed to just for exams).
And will this extend to office software? Are those students who are
currently using OpenOffice to be forced to purchase MSoffice so that
they can participate? Is MindJet also going to cover those costs?

If you want to use all the various features your students will also have
to buy/install/support:
* Microsoft(r) Office(r) Professional 2002/XP, 2003 or 2007 (Big
$$$)
* Microsoft(r) Project(r) 2002, 2003 or 2007 (Bigger $$$)
* Microsoft(r) Visio(r) Professional 2002, 2003, or 2007 (still more
$$$)
* Microsoft(r) Internet Explorer(r) 6.0 or greater (AHAHHAHA)
* Mozilla(r) Firefox(r) 2.0 or greater (ok, I like this one)
* Adobe(r) Acrobat(r) 8 or greater (yet more $$$)
* Adobe(r) Flash(r) Player 9 or greater
* Internet connection (well how else is the DRM going to work?)

And the final nail in the coffin: "MindManager 8 will not support
Windows 7 when Windows 7 is released"

Sorry, but it's junk software imho.
Go with FreeMind and forget about licensing agreements.

-Richard Abbott
Rabbit@shaw.ca
Oregonrabbit@hushmail.com

rfs2 years ago

RE: RE: Mindjet MindManager - Law School Opportunities

I was glad to see the original posting from Chris about MindManager. I think mind mapping tools are a good potential addition to Word and Powerpoint and other technologies that can enhance teaching and learning. I have used MindManager and found it easy to get started with and useful. I think that anytime our tech people can encourage faculty to use technology effectively, that is a step in a good direction, and to the extent that vendors can be brought on board to facilitate the use of these tools that can be helpful too.

I would be very glad to hear more from Chris and others about how mind mapping tools are being used in law school and how the IT and library folks are helping faculty use technology.

Bob Seibel
California Western School of Law
rfs@cwsl.edu
619 525 1445

________________________________

From: teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu on behalf of Chris Bell
Sent: Wed 10/21/2009 9:35 AM
To: Teknoids
Subject: RE: [teknoids] RE: Mindjet MindManager - Law School Opportunities

Hi again, everyone in this Teknoids community including Richard Abbott,

I can't believe I'm actually taking Richard Abbot's bait and replying to his message, but here I go for what I intend to be one go-round only:

Answers and responses to Richard Abbot's questions and statements:

· Colorado Law has issued no mandate. There is no requirement to use the tool for faculty, staff, or students. There is just the opportunity.

· MindManager mind maps are not required in any class.

· Students, Faculty, and Staff are welcome to use FreeMind and all the other mind mapping tools as they always have been.

· Students, Faculty, and Staff can use OpenOffice just as they always have been able to as well.

· MindManager does tie very nicely in to MS Office. But it works fine without MS Office as well. It does have some pretty cool export features to the MS products and others.

· Just because MindManager has features doesn't mean that one needs to use them.

Regarding Windows 7 and the "nail in the coffin" Richard Abbot mentioned:

Richard Abbot's message included a partial quote from MindJet's support page. Here is the full statement:

"MindManager 8 will not support Windows 7 when Windows 7 is released but will support it in a future MindManager 8 service pack at no charge."

Finally, regardless of the discussion on points above, the whole tone of the message seems inflammatory. I'm not a frequent poster here, but I do hope that civility will reign, especially when someone is trying to do something good for the community.

Chris

Chris Bell
Director of Information Technology
University of Colorado Law School
303-492-1980
cbell@colorado.edu

From: teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu [mailto:teknoids-bounces@ruckus.law.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Abbott
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:03 PM
To: teknoids@ruckus.law.cornell.edu
Subject: [teknoids] RE: Mindjet MindManager - Law School Opportunities

Adopting that software would be the equivalent of mandating that all students use windows/mac OS year-round (as opposed to just for exams). And will this extend to office software? Are those students who are currently using OpenOffice to be forced to purchase MSoffice so that they can participate? Is MindJet also going to cover those costs?

If you want to use all the various features your students will also have to buy/install/support:
* Microsoft® Office® Professional 2002/XP, 2003 or 2007 (Big $$$)
* Microsoft® Project® 2002, 2003 or 2007 (Bigger $$$)
* Microsoft® Visio® Professional 2002, 2003, or 2007 (still more $$$)
* Microsoft® Internet Explorer® 6.0 or greater (AHAHHAHA)
* Mozilla® Firefox® 2.0 or greater (ok, I like this one)
* Adobe® Acrobat® 8 or greater (yet more $$$)
* Adobe® Flash® Player 9 or greater
* Internet connection (well how else is the DRM going to work?)

And the final nail in the coffin: "MindManager 8 will not support Windows 7 when Windows 7 is released"

Sorry, but it's junk software imho.
Go with FreeMind and forget about licensing agreements.

-Richard Abbott
Rabbit@shaw.ca
Oregonrabbit@hushmail.com